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22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« on: April 02, 2013, 04:02:47 AM »
Here is a good outcome from what would have been a bad ending.  He's fortunate that he didn't stay around for the fireworks.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Woman-22-fends-off-attacker-with-handgun-200921511.html
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 04:24:26 AM »
Darn good thing she wasn't a neighborhood watch officer or she could have just hit him with her cell phone for protection.  ::)

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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 05:50:54 AM »
Hopefully that will shy him away from trying it again soon.
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 07:52:35 AM »
Yes!, very good thing she not in a neighbor hood watch program, she would have been charged with a crime
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 08:24:20 AM »
"I'm surprised that a stranger would do this to anyone," City Police Sgt. Matthew Paschall.said.

Am I being picky to find this cops statement naive...stupid...out of touch with reality?
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 09:43:06 AM »
"I'm surprised that a stranger would do this to anyone," City Police Sgt. Matthew Paschall.said.

Am I being picky to find this cops statement naive...stupid...out of touch with reality?
maybe that entire town is that way??
Time will tell.

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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 11:00:55 AM »
"I'm surprised that a stranger would do this to anyone," City Police Sgt. Matthew Paschall.said.

Am I being picky to find this cops statement naive...stupid...out of touch with reality?
maybe that entire town is that way??

In Maybury USA maybe...
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 07:56:06 AM »
"I'm surprised that a stranger would do this to anyone," City Police Sgt. Matthew Paschall.said.

Am I being picky to find this cops statement naive...stupid...out of touch with reality?
I would have to believe the entire town to be this way, How else would they elect such an Idiot!, guess it's only people that know each other that would such a thing?
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2013, 08:34:49 AM »
Only about 20 % of people will actually defend themselves with deadly force. Groosman, in the book "ON KIlling" said only about 10% of WWI soldiers really shot to kill, and only around 20% in WWII. That wen tup substancially in Korea (50%) and Vietnam(90%).

If you go in harms way, for yourself, family, or friend in danger, you will face the non gun shooters with no ability to be a sheepdog on your jury. Just know the Police officer's remarks "somewhat" mirror most of society.

You and I applaud what she did, but most of our society will not understand or even be willing to do that for themselves. They are sheep, to quote an old Army sargent, who related it to Groosman and he printed the now well known "Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdog" story. I have a copy, I think, and will post it here if som,eone wants to read it. It is a 4 page reading, but is 100% factual IMHO. Many of you may have already read it.   

I was watching the local evening news and a story came on about an intruder breaking into one of these type peoples home(sheep). The story goes, they heard bump in th enight, ran to the b-room an d locked it, the lady had 911 on the phone, the perp burst through the door, and the guy cowered in the corner in a fetal position while the lady threw a lamp at the guy and everything she could until the thug started carving on her with a knife. I think they said it took around 200 stitches and she was looking forward to a lot of cosmetic surgery on her face and arms.

My wife, very calmly looked at me and said, "If you ever did that to me, I would move out. What a Cowerd!!!!" I didn't even know that she was paying attention as she was reading the paper. I had a teaching moment and told her that she needed to learn how to shoot my guns and get her CCP, just in case she was ever forced to need or use it. Thankfully she has, after about 6 years of teaching moments, accomplished the transition and now caries every where she can.

Just don't be astonished at this guys comments. He is a Sheep whom is in charge. Really sad, people with no courage. I just hope I am never forced to see if I posess the courage myself. That is why I try to be very alert and not be out late at night.

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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2013, 10:50:00 AM »
plz go ahead and post it

Time will tell.

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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 05:52:43 PM »
Yes, please do, sounds like a good read,
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 06:55:20 PM »
I'll third that!
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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2013, 07:01:58 AM »
This is the story I got, first from one of Dave Groosman's book, I believe it was  "On Combat". The other book is "On Killing" and I read them both. The story was repeated here so I was able to copy it. It is titled "On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs." Groosman said a old Army Sargent relayed it to him and he included it in his book and uses it when he trains military groups. This guy used it to send to a young lady. He took a little literary license with the content to adapt it in response to the young student, however you will get the general intended message. Read it and you will understand our society today.

Sadly more and more are going to the sheep side, because it is easy. Public education is indoctrinating the young to become Sheep. Liberal colleges are doing the same, IMHO. 


This letter was written by Charles Grennel and his comrades, veterans of the Global War on Terror.

Miss Edwards, I read of your student activity regarding the proposed memorial to Colonel Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect you will receive many angry emails from conservative people like me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations of servicemen and servicewomen, on whose shoulders you and your fellow students stand.

I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your naivete. It may be that you are simply a sheep. There's no dishonor in being a sheep, as long as you know and accept what you are.


"On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs"

Most of the people in our society are sheep.

They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident. We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people, not capable of hurting each other except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

Then there are the wolves who feed on the sheep without mercy.

Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds.
The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

Then there are sheepdogs and I'm a sheepdog.

I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf. If you have no capacity for violence and you are a healthy productive citizen, you are a sheep.

If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the uncharted path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

We know that the sheep live in denial - that is what makes them sheep.

They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world.
They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kid's schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school.

Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard. So they choose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf.

He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go Baa. That is, until the wolf shows up, and then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough, know-it-all high school students, and under ordinary circumstances would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them.

This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door. Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door.
Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be.

Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter. He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night and yearning for a righteous battle.

That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle.
The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones. Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently.

The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day.

After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said 'Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes.' The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, 'Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes.
Maybe I could have made a difference.' You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that would destroy 98 percent of the population.
Research was conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes.

These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of
violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said they specifically targeted victims by body language: Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey.
Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking.

When they learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd and the other passengers confronted the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents - from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

Edmund Burke said 'There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men.' Here is the point I want to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves.

They don't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision. If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you.

If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

This business of being a sheep or a sheepdog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior.

Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors and the warriors started taking their job more seriously.

It's OK to be a sheep, but do not kick the sheepdog. Indeed, the sheepdog may just run a little harder, strive to protect a little better and be fully prepared to pay an ultimate price in battle and spirit with the sheep moving from 'baa'
to 'thanks'.

We do not call for gifts or freedoms beyond our lot. Just like the sheepdog, we in the military just need a small pat on the head, a smile and a thank you to fill the emotional tank which is drained protecting the sheep.

And, when our number is called by The Almighty, and day retreats into night, a small prayer before the heavens just may be in order to say thanks for letting you continue to be a sheep.

And be grateful for the millions of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express even bad ideas.

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Re: 22 Year Old Gal Defends Herself
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2013, 09:58:15 AM »
Thanks Pop Pop I passed that on.
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