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What most 21st Century Americans simply do not grasp is that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were not written to to give rights to the citizens of our then-new nation, but was instead written to tightly constrain the federal government.

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Re: I'm Really Starting To Dislike This Person!
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2016, 03:36:01 PM »
Be careful of what you write about Tronald Dump:
He's gonna be our next President, and he'll have wide-ranging executive powers that will be able to reach out and selectively, um, touch you.
And he has a very, very good memory...
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 03:36:41 PM »
I like "The Donald"!

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 04:03:30 PM »
I never said that I didn't  like him; I just am not pleased with some of his, huh, misguided words?

Does Trump believe in a universal health care system like Canada's?  I've read reports that he does.  He has supported Democrats in the past; why the switch now?

It's still too early in the game and they longer they play, the more foolish that might become, and they just might hint at what's really going on.

I am not trying to keep up with what these candidates are doing; they are a diversion to what is really happening and I think that this administration is going to use that diversion to the fullest.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2016, 05:37:15 PM »
Roger that.

If I had to vote right this minute, I'm not sure I'd vote for him.  Sad thing to me is, there's no one else that I'd rather vote for, at this minute.

The diversion of which you speak, sadly, it's always there.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2016, 06:08:16 PM »
Cruz isn't a "natural-born citizen," according to the definition of the term.
Tronald Dump is a manipulative opportunist, merely seeking power and a new, high position on his CV.
Bush is a wimp, and besides we don't need another of those.
Carson is well-spoken, but both ill-informed and inexperienced.
Rubio? Unknown. I need to know more.

Hillarious Clintoon is a liar, a cheat, and amorally unscrupulous, just like her putative "husband."

Well, I guess I'm gonna hafta vote for Bernie.  :o

(There's a wonderful anti-Bernie cartoon, reprinted in this week's The Week magazine. Look for it.)
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Re: I'm Really Starting To Dislike This Person!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2016, 08:58:20 AM »
Well it sounds like you might get a chance to vote for Bloomberg .....

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Re: I'm Really Starting To Dislike This Person!
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2016, 09:33:28 AM »
Well it sounds like you might get a chance to vote for Bloomberg .....

You would have to dishonorably discharge me from my country, kill me, or both for that to ever happen! >:(
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 03:44:21 PM »
It was said that he didn't say "murder" he said "shoot", ether way, bad choice to say something like that, but comes down to Trump and hitlery? I'm voting Trump
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2016, 03:57:38 PM »
...but [if it] comes down to Trump and hitlery? I'm voting Trump

Yeah. If that's the choice, then I don't have a choice.
I, too, will then have to vote for Tronald Dump.
(Shudder!)
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2016, 04:08:37 PM »
Alright! Alright! I like the guy (Trump) alright!  I just think that he needs to stay from saying stupid stuff. It is hard enough to hear and see stupid stuff from politicians let alone those who want to be politicians.

Keep it grounded! People want people who are grounded, and not trying to grind them down.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2016, 06:15:18 AM »
Trump/Cruz 2016?

Cruz/Trump 2016?

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2016, 10:31:18 AM »
Trump/Cruz 2016?

Cruz/Trump 2016?

If it's what's there I'll take it.
That's what I'm thinking too.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2016, 11:44:22 AM »
Note, please, that Cruz does not fit the definition of "natural-born US citizen."
He was born in Canada, of only one citizen-parent.
Therefore, he may be easily disqualified from the presidency.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2016, 12:55:33 PM »
Note, please, that Cruz does not fit the definition of "natural-born US citizen."
He was born in Canada, of only one citizen-parent.
Therefore, he may be easily disqualified from the presidency.
this was my thoughts as well, it say you must be a "NATUAL BORN CITIZEN" not that one of your parents is/was
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2016, 09:11:18 PM »
Note, please, that Cruz does not fit the definition of "natural-born US citizen."
He was born in Canada, of only one citizen-parent.
Therefore, he may be easily disqualified from the presidency.
Hey...

It just occurred to me that being a natural born US citizen was somehow overlooked in 2008 and 2012 for some other guy.

I know that topic is old hat, but eh, it's still a LAW!

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2016, 10:45:44 PM »
When I was much younger, and learning high-school civics, we were taught that the criterion for presidential eligibility was that the candidate had to have been born on US soil, no matter the parentage.
"US soil" included US embassies. Later, the rule was amended (by Congress?) to include US military bases in foreign countries.

Even later than that, the rule seems to have been further amended (by Congress?) to include children born to two US citizens, anywhere, as long as the birth was immediately reported to the nearest US embassy with a note of intent that the child be a US citizen.
However, in legal fact, according to at least one modern essayist, such children may actually be disqualified from the presidency because they are not "natural-born." They have, instead, been made US citizens by statute, not by natural birth.

In the case of Cruz, he was born to only one US citizen, his other parent being a Cuban national, on foreign soil (in Canada).
This seems to disqualify him, according to the rules that I learned; but if it does not, it at least calls his eligibility into question.

Obama was born on US soil (Hawaii), so, regardless of his parentage, he started his life as a natural-born US citizen, just like you and me.
The real issue, then, becomes whether or not he (or his mother, if he was at the time a minor) abjured his US citizenship in order that he become a citizen of Indonesia, when his mother married an Indonesian, and the two of them moved there.
If that happened, it would have removed his eligibility for the presidency: Once you have renounced your US citizenship, you can only get it back through naturalization (that is, by statute).

Some high court or other needs to "sit upon" Cruz's case, and decide once and for all what the pertinent statutes and constitutional provisions really mean.
My advice: Don't hold your breath in anticipation. The Democrats would love to present the previously-used, "Obama-nation" birther argument from the other side. Revenge is always sweet.

Do we really want to put this issue into the hands of Democrat "birthers"?
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2016, 05:28:11 AM »
Note, please, that Cruz does not fit the definition of "natural-born US citizen."
He was born in Canada, of only one citizen-parent.
Therefore, he may be easily disqualified from the presidency.

Isn't it the same for Obama? Except for the Canada part.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2016, 01:26:26 PM »
On Obama being a "NATUAL BORN CITIZEN"

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21971-10-facts-that-suggest-obamas-birth-certificate-is-fake/

I certainly have my doubts

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2016, 02:14:47 PM »
Isn't it the same for Obama? Except for the Canada part.

Nope.
Hawaii, last I looked, was part of the US, even back when Obama was born.
People born in Hawaii, of any parentage, are eligible for the presidency.
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2016, 04:44:28 PM »
Isn't it the same for Obama? Except for the Canada part.

Nope.
Hawaii, last I looked, was part of the US, even back when Obama was born.
People born in Hawaii, of any parentage, are eligible for the presidency.
this is assuming he was born in Hawaii, sorry Steve but to many things wrong with his birth certificate, his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2016, 06:33:19 PM »
Since nobody has been able to conclusively prove that Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii, then we will just have to accept that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

There has been a lot of conjecture, rumor, and foolish African bragging that seems to place Obama's birth elsewhere than Hawaii, but there never has been any conclusive proof of those conjectures, rumors, and foolish bragging.
Ignorant and foolish Africans who claim that Obama was born in Kenya are saying that as a matter of stupid pride, not as a proven matter of fact. Their bragging serves only to cloud the issue, and is based in their complete ignorance of US constitutional law.

The condition of Obama's birth certificate is not germane to the argument. There are lots of possibly-valid reasons why his birth certificate "looks peculiar," but none of them disprove his claim of Hawaiian birth.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2016, 07:04:26 PM »
Well, as far as I can tell, there's never been any "conclusive proof" that Obama is actually a man either.  Chances are that we will never see him drop his drawers to prove it.
Frankly, his actions have not convinced me.

Actions...now there's something!

From what I've seen of his actions, being born elsewhere would explain many of his actions.

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2016, 10:58:44 PM »
Whether (or not) Obama is a man, an African man, a Hawaiian man, or even a Neanderthal man, isn't at all meaningful. He could be a trans-gendered Eskimo, for all I care.
The only meaningful issue about Obama is his extremely poor performance as a President. Everything else is...here's another neat word to look up...persiflage and misdirection.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2016, 11:17:44 PM »
True, very true.

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2016, 03:02:07 AM »
Whether (or not) Obama is a man, an African man, a Hawaiian man, or even a Neanderthal man, isn't at all meaningful. He could be a trans-gendered Eskimo, for all I care.
The only meaningful issue about Obama is his extremely poor performance as a President. Everything else is...here's another neat word to look up...persiflage and misdirection.
I'll agree he's a member of the male gender, but a Man, i can not, my definition of a man is quite different
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2016, 05:36:21 AM »
He was not born; he was developed in the laboratory of progressives and there he shall remain.
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2016, 08:48:48 PM »
All I needed to know about the Obama citizenship issue was one White House press release.  They posted a birth certificate, it was proven a forgery and they removed it.  Enough said, in my book.  Our Constitution has become, unfortunately, meaningless.  At least Cruz has one parent who is/was a U.S. citizen.  Obama has one non-citizen and another who renounced.
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