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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/13/retired-police-captain-shoots-a-man-dead-before-screening-of-lone-survivor-the-reason-why-is-baffling/

WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla. (AP) — An argument over texting in a Florida movie theater Monday triggered a retired Tampa police captain to fatally shoot a man sitting in front of him, as about 25 horrified moviegoers looked on, sheriff’s officials said.
“Somebody throws popcorn. I’m not sure who threw the popcorn,” said Charles Cummings, who, as a birthday treat, was about to watch the movie “Lone Survivor” at The Grove 16 Theater.
“And then bang, he was shot.”
 
WFLA-TV Curtis Reeves, 71, has been charged with second-degree murder and it’s not immediately clear whether he has retained an attorney. The Daily Mail reports that Reeves also shot the man’s wife, though it wasn’t clear if he intended to.
Pasco County Sheriff’s officials said the shooting happened when Reeves asked 43-year-old Chad Oulson to stop texting at the theater in Wesley Chapel, a suburb about a half hour north of downtown Tampa.
Reeves and his wife were sitting behind Oulson and his wife. Oulson told Reeves that he was texting with his 3-year-old daughter, Cummings said.
“It ended almost as quickly as it started,” said sheriff’s spokesman Doug Tobin. The sheriff’s office says an off-duty Sumter County deputy detained Reeves until police arrived.
Cummings and his son Alex – who both had blood on their clothes as they walked out of the theater – told a group of reporters Monday afternoon that the show was still in previews when the two couples started arguing.
Cummings said the man in the back row – later identified as Reeves – got up and left the auditorium, presumably to get a manager. But he came back after a few minutes, without a manager and appearing upset. Moments later, the argument between the two men resumed, and the man in the front row stood up.
Officials said Oulson asked Reeves if he reported him to management for using his phone.
Cummings said the men started raising their voices and popcorn was thrown. Authorities said Reeves took out a gun, and Oulson’s wife put her hand over her husband, and that’s when Reeves fired his weapon, striking Nichole Oulson in the hand and her husband in the chest.
“I can’t believe people would bring a pistol, a gun, to a movie,” Cummings said. “I can’t believe they would argue and fight and shoot one another over popcorn. Over a cellphone.”
Cummings, who said he was a combat Marine in Vietnam, said Oulson fell onto him and his son.
“Blood started coming out of his mouth,” said Alex Cummings. “It was just a very bad scene.”
Charles Cummings said his son went to call 911, while Cummings and another patron who claimed to a nurse began performing CPR on the victim.
A man sitting next to the shooter grabbed the gun out of his hand, and the suspect did not attempt to get away, Cummings said.
Oulson and his wife were taken by ambulance to a Tampa-area hospital, where the Chad Oulson died, Tobin said. His wife’s injuries weren’t considered life-threatening.
Tampa Police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said in a news release that Reeves was a captain when he retired from the department in 1993. She added that he was instrumental in establishing the agency’s first tactical response team. After he retired, Reeves worked security for the Busch Gardens theme park and was on the board of a neighboring county’s Crime Stoppers organization. Reeves’ son also is a Tampa officer, police said.
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This makes no sense at all.  It's blatantly stupid to me.
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 I am not going to listen too close to the media on this until more facts are collected. Even then, I have to keep reminding myself that I am only getting the part of the story that "THEY" want me to hear. The GZ case was a prime example of what I mean, and I doubt if this one will be much different as far as the coverage goes. In my opinion it is more important to them to sell air time than it is to be accurate in reporting facts. I know... what's new?

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I think that it was racially motivated.   :(
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It seems this guy is claiming self defense. That will fall under the standard of, "What would a normal and prudent person do if they were in this situation."

Now someone else has come forward and said they had the same problems with this guy a couple weeks ago in a theater setting. Appears he has something against texting!!!!

I think this guy is in deep trouble, IF news reporting is factual. 

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According to news reports, Oulson (the guy who was shot) had hit Reeves (the shooter) with a bag of popcorn.
Now that's deadly-force provocation!
Obviously a self-defense shooting.


"Tampa Police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said in a news release that Reeves...was instrumental in establishing the agency’s first tactical response team."
It figures: Reeves founded the department's SWAT, so he was already set-up for deadly over-response to any situation in which he found himself.
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It does prove that a .380 is a good defensive round in close quarters. It was reported in the AJC that a .380 handgun was used.

In another report, a lady claimed that she had a run-in with Mr. Reeves in the same theater a time before; he had asked her to quit texting.

He has been denied bond on a 2nd degree murder charge. I'm sure that a few more lesser charges will be added.

This will be an interesting case. I don't believe that the stand-your-ground law will be exercised here, as Mr. Reeves had opportune time to exit the premises. According to one report, he had been a firearm's instructor with the last department. He should have known better than to press the issue.

But, there is always another story to be heard.
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According to news reports, Oulson (the guy who was shot) had hit Reeves (the shooter) with a bag of popcorn.
Now that's deadly-force provocation!
Obviously a self-defense shooting.

I agree.  A friend just  bought a 50 lb. bag of popcorn for the next carnival.  He sells caramel corn with peanuts.  Oh yeh, he also bought 50 pounds of peanuts, another deadly weapon.   ::)
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According to news reports, Oulson (the guy who was shot) had hit Reeves (the shooter) with a bag of popcorn.
Now that's deadly-force provocation!
Obviously a self-defense shooting.

I agree.  A friend just  bought a 50 lb. bag of popcorn for the next carnival.  He sells caramel corn with peanuts.  Oh yeh, he also bought 50 pounds of peanuts, another deadly weapon.   ::)
Well if it had been a 50 pound bag, that could cause harm. but this was the thing of popped pop corn.
Time will tell.

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Well if it had been a 50 pound bag, that could cause harm. but this was the thing of popped pop corn.

Which weighs more: A 50-pound bag of unpopped corn, or a 50-pound bag of popped corn?  ;D

How 'bout a 50-pound bag of caramel popped corn, with peanuts?  ::)
 
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Well if it had been a 50 pound bag, that could cause harm. but this was the thing of popped pop corn.

Which weighs more: A 50-pound bag of unpopped corn, or a 50-pound bag of popped corn?  ;D

How 'bout a 50-pound bag of caramel popped corn, with peanuts?  ::)
 
I think the way it feels and smells is the main difference you will notice if one get thrown on top of you..... the Caramel popcorn with nuts sounds really good right now....
Time will tell.

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I think I'll go pop some corn.   ;D
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...Caramel popcorn with nuts sounds really good right now....

Save some for me!
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I think I'll go pop some corn.   ;D

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