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Church Discussion
« on: April 16, 2018, 09:08:18 AM »
In our new quarter subject in Bible study, we are talking about the subject of being courageous men in our men's class. I will be interested to see of safety and security will be discussed by anyone.

I will bet you not one of the teachers will discuss personal safety in any way, shape, or form----but I WILL before the class ends this quarter. Working on my presentation now.

I don't understand how a man can teach others about being courageous, in the leadership of our families, if one does not talk about all aspects of it. Providing safety to ones family, and church family is very important in this day in time.

The opening teacher, in the class interdiction, said that the Apostle Peter, when he took his sword and cut Malceious's ear off was not courageous(Matthew 26:51) . I called him on that one. Told him he was very courageous as Peter just told Jesus he was ready to die for Him. The act of cutting the ear off a Roman, by a Jew, was a death sentence offense. Guys, it took courage to cut that ear off knowing he could be put to death. After all Peter was using the sword that Jesus told the apostles to go and purchase.

Now I ask you another question? Why did Jesus tell them(11 apostles) to purchase a sword (Luke 22:36-38) and they told him they bought 2 and he said it was enough. My opinion, it was for personal protection because He had just told them He was no longer going to be with the apostles and they were going to need to take care of themselves.

I am curious to see if anyone will bring the subject up in class. By the way, my knee replacement DR, who was in the class, confronted the statement about Peter not having courage also. He was in agreement with me that it was very courageous what Peter did.

The teacher said, well Peter was presumptuous in what he did. I met him after class to ask him to clarify that and he said Peter did things without thinking them through and acted impulsively. That still did not explained to me why what he did was not courageous, even though what he did caused Jesus to scold Peter for taking a sword and trying to prevent His sacrificing Himself for all of mankind.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I intend to hold this guys feet to the fire on this subject, if I can. I want to discuss personal and church safety along with all the other courageous things a Christian man is responsible to do in his church and personal life.

Anyone care to comment on this?

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Re: Church Discussion
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 09:45:17 AM »
I think that you should press him on it, pop pop. Courage as well as prudence and temperance are listed as the virtues of men (according to Hobbes).

I once asked a question in a catechism class that I attended as a youth for the first time.  I can't remember the exact question, but I remember the exact response, "You must accept and believe without question!" the teacher told me.  I said something to the effect of, "In other words, you don't know either." Then, I walked out never to return.

I think that Marion Robert Morrison said it best; "Courage is being scared to death, but you saddle up anyway."
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Re: Church Discussion
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 01:04:22 PM »
Courage, to me, is based almost entirely in responsibility.
Think of that John Wayne line quoted by Taurian:  "Courage is being scared to death, but you saddle up anyway."
Responsibility drives one to stand up in defense or support of another person, an ideal, or a duty, regardless of one's inner feelings and fears.

Personal and group safety is based upon responsibility, and upon the courage that responsibility engenders.
Peter's feeling of responsibility for Jesus's life gave him the courage to attack a Roman soldier during the arrest in the garden.
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Re: Church Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 03:17:22 PM »
In my experience, "courage" often manifests itself in doing what must be done, what's right on an absolute scale rather than a subjective scale. More often than not, in these situations standing alone in the here and now in full knowledge that "someday" those in opposition will "see" , will "get it" , but for now to withstand the jeers and the buffering and sometimes threats of the ignorant.
To stand, even if I'm the only one, because it's Right, and then to minimize as much as possible the damage the ignorant do...in ignorance, and try, and try, to love them anyway.

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