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Not Qualified!!!
« on: March 08, 2018, 08:49:47 AM »
Marine Corps Commandant: 'Less Than 30% of Young Men and Women' Are Qualified to Join the U.S. Military:

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/marine-corps-commandant-less-30-young-men-and-women-are-qualified-join-us
The fact that the GOVERNMENT would even consider removing the natural right to bear arms is the very reason why the 2nd Amendment was written.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 04:33:06 PM »
I am not really sure how to take some of his statements.
The one big thing of course is the 30% factor . . . . . just 30% are qualified????
That is really scary . . . . . consider the fact that in the event of a REAL emergency.
When I went in in 1956 there was a waiting list.
From a waiting list to only 30% qualify in 62 years????
Is that even three generations?????
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 05:45:28 PM »
Standard generation is usually taken as 25 years, so not quite. But I have also seen a standard generation (had a reason to look it up today, actually) as 20, so yes it could be.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2018, 10:00:50 PM »
"Generation" is taken, usually, as the temporal distance between one's birth and the production of one's first child. Therefore, judging by current social behavior, "generation" may now actually mean 16 years...or maybe even only 12.

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Re: Not Qualified!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2018, 04:39:45 PM »
I've been looking at this thread for days, and wondering.
"Qualified to join" ?

Uh, in my way of thinking, EVERYBODY can "join" , and then it's up to Basic Combat Training to determine who is "qualified" to continue past that!

I'm pretty sure that the qualifications for young men wishing to join the Army when I enlisted, was having a head to put a steel pot upon, two arms to hold a rifle, and two legs to get yourself and your rifle from point A to point B.



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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 05:29:00 PM »
Um, I believe that you also had to be able to read, write, and think.
There might also have been something about having a civic record which included no felonies.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2018, 10:32:56 PM »
Perhaps, but I'm not sure about that

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Edited: I was in a hurry when I replied, sorry.
What I MEANT to imply earlier about the physical attributes necessary for induction into the Army in the very early '70's was that the numbers were so depleted by then, and "soldiers" and anything "military" were so much in derision that they were willing to take just about anyone willing to take the Oath, don the uniform, and learn the trade.
I have no direct knowledge of this, but I HEARD back then that many young men were offered suspended sentences on their crimes (no idea about the range of severity), IF they enlisted for military service.
As always, I could be wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 05:25:47 PM »
This is from the early 70's. There was a guy we went to school with that was a bully and a trouble maker, always in trouble in some sort or another. I graduated high school in 1973 so it was a few years prior to that. At one of his court hearings (so the story goes) the judge gave him a choice between jail time or Army. He chose to go into the Army. When his parents dropped him off at the The Cleveland airport to report to boot camp, they were surprised to see him sitting in their living room when they got home. He got into more trouble for that. So the next time they took him, they walked him to the plane (you could do that back then) and said their good-byes.  He was just about ready to finish boot-camp when he went AWOL from base. He stole a 7-UP delivery truck and drove it to his home town. A government vehicle came to his house and took him away. We never seen him again.  ::)

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 07:30:24 AM »
<snicker >

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2018, 01:43:28 PM »
I joined the U.S. of Army when I was 17 years old.

My choices were, as the judge put it; "spend the remainder of your time in juvenile detentions ( or as we called it "Juvie"), then be transferred to then state correctional system to serve out the remainder of your time. Or, you can join the military of your choice." I essentially said, "where do I sign?"

Three months later, I was on my way to Ft. Knox, Kentucky for BT.

Since I was a high school drop-out, my only choice was the army.  So, there is a foundation in fact about 'serving' one way or another. Since I did have some military school background (not my choice), I transitioned easily into military life; keep the mouth shut, don''t volunteer, and do the job.  It was pretty simple really.

I made SSG (E-6) in 3 and did 11. A lot longer than what I would have been sentenced as a youth, but it provided me with skills, confidence, discipline, and something I could use when the military and me parted ways.
The fact that the GOVERNMENT would even consider removing the natural right to bear arms is the very reason why the 2nd Amendment was written.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2018, 06:34:09 PM »
Good for you!
The military helped you to "find yourself," which was an excellent outcome.

Me?
I was an "army brat," step-son to an abusive martinet wanna-be.
That experience steered me well away from any military service.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 01:51:37 PM »
I believe that the majority of today's 17 to 20 year-old snowflakes are NOT mentally qualified to be in the armed forces and most definitely NOT qualified to vote. In fact, I believe that the voting age should be raised to 25 and in some case to 30, to allow the young people adaquate time to gain real life experience away from their commie teachers and college professors.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2018, 11:47:16 PM »
I believe that the majority of today's 17 to 20 year-old snowflakes are NOT mentally qualified to be in the armed forces and most definitely NOT qualified to vote. In fact, I believe that the voting age should be raised to 25 and in some case to 30, to allow the young people adaquate time to gain real life experience away from their commie teachers and college professors.
Yeah.
What he said!
Perhaps even 40!

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 12:40:29 PM »
I believe that the majority of today's 17 to 20 year-old snowflakes are NOT mentally qualified to be in the armed forces and most definitely NOT qualified to vote. In fact, I believe that the voting age should be raised to 25 and in some case to 30, to allow the young people adaquate time to gain real life experience away from their commie teachers and college professors.

I also agree with this.
It was a terrible error to permit 18-year-olds to vote.
It was a cynical move by the US Legislature to arrange for more Democrat votes, since the young tend toward being Progressives (until they gain some maturity, and thereby see the truth).
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2018, 07:02:50 PM »
I tend to think that it had more to do with the draft than with the way they would vote.
If they could go into the military than they could vote.
At least that is what I recall . . . . . but I have been wrong before.
I can't remember when but I must have at sometime or another!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2018, 09:47:37 PM »
I tend to think that it had more to do with the draft than with the way they would vote...

That was the cynical part.
That was the propaganda that we were fed, in order to get us to vote it in.
But the truth is that there are lots of things that children too young to vote were called upon to do, hard labor in coal mines being only one of them.

In New York as I was growing up, I could legally drink alcoholic beverages long before I could vote.
(That has now changed.)
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2018, 07:41:51 PM »
In New York as I was growing up, I could legally drink alcoholic beverages long before I could vote.
(That has now changed.)

If the drinking age can be changed, the voting age can also!
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