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« on: February 15, 2018, 07:06:10 PM »
A favorite cousin, herself one of the parents of a young-adult son and a 'teenage daughter, has just written to me (her go-to "gun guy") as follows:

"...Of course, our thoughts have also turned to you in light of yet another shooting. Perhaps you can explain why AR-15 military-grade weaponry is permitted and available? While I am not a hunter, I certainly support my friends who own hunting rifles. I’m just having a hard time understanding this dimension of [it all]. Hoping you can help me wrap my head around this..."

So I replied, in part:

Dear [cousin];

First of all, “military-grade” weaponry is not [normally] available to the law-abiding citizen.
Only those who operate outside of the law have access to stolen (from the military) military-grade equipment.
Responsible, law-abiding people [who are not specially licensed] are limited to rifles and pistols which fire only one shot at a time, even if they reload the following shot on their own (“semi-automatic”). Military stuff shoots continually, as long as the user keeps its trigger depressed.
Non-military guns may be military-looking, but that’s just a matter of cosmetics. Mere appearance has absolutely nothing to do with function.

But that’s not really the issue here. The real issue is discipline and responsibility.
The Florida murderer was still a minor, although permitted by law to purchase a rifle and its ammunition. Where had his parents been, while he was growing up with "anger issues” (as several of his classmates observed)? Where were they when he brought his rifle home? Why had they not exercised some amount of control, teaching him right from wrong and correcting him when he headed in the wrong direction? Why hadn’t they instilled some amount of self-control in him, during his formative years?

You are one of the parents of two young people. Would [your son] do something like this? Would [your daughter]?
We both know that they wouldn’t. So, why wouldn’t they? How do they differ from the 19-year-old killer in Florida?
If you gave [your son] a rifle, what would he do with it? Why wouldn’t he misuse it? Why wouldn’t he kill the people he doesn’t like?

[My daughter] was taught about guns, and how to shoot. She grew up in a home in which there was always at least one fully-loaded pistol at hand.
Why did [she] never access that loaded pistol? Why didn’t she take it to school, and do away with the people she didn’t like?
How does [she] differ from the Florida killer?

You have to remember that the term “gun violence” is composed of two separate concepts.
“Gun” is merely an adjective, which modifies “violence.” The gun is only a tool in the hands of a violent person, and that person would be violent even without the gun.
Further, an uncontrolledly violent person without a gun might accomplish even greater mayhem. Think of Timothy McVey, who destroyed more than 100 people with a bomb made of readily-available, uncontrollable and unrestrictable materials.

Also think of the very different outcome possible, if some qualified teachers and administrators in that Florida school had been armed.
But we “protect” our children by declaring that schools are “gun-free zones.” Did the Florida killer respect that “gun free” designation? Or did it disarm the very people upon whom the children depended for their safety and well-being? (See also the Connecticut shooting of a few years ago.)

By and large, only the uncontrollably violent and the asocial people among us misuse weaponry, which, by the way, includes not only guns, but also knives, baseball bats, and even rocks.
We have now gone through three generations, at least, of people, each of whom has been taught that he (or she) is the most important person on earth, rather than that everybody else is important too, or even, in a sense, more important. These people have never been taught personal responsibility and self-control, and, as a result, many of them are uncontrollably violent and a few of them are clinically asocial.
I suggest that it will take at least three more generations to work our society out of this mess, and yet we have not even begun to try to address the problem.
Instead, we keep focussing on the tool, and, by doing so, remain blind to the person wielding it.

So my point is that the tool used is not at issue. It is the mindset of the tool user that is the problem.
Deny the use of one particular tool, and the malevolent will merely find another tool: Say, for instance, a truck driven into a mass of revelers. That’s what happens in countries in which guns are not quite so readily available.
Can you explain to me why gun violence is worse than, or even different from, truck violence? Or fertilizer-bomb violence?

You can’t.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2018, 10:03:01 AM »
Excellent response!

This would also be a good letter to send to local newspapers (not that they would print it), but at least you would have your say.

I foresee an attempt by the anti-gunners to change the law for purchasing a rifle from 18-years old to 21-years old, as is true with handguns.  It would not change anything, but it would sure make people feel like they are doing something positive instead of being helpless. Oh, what can we do, what can we do?

Firearm Prohibition? That did not work with alcohol so what makes one think that it would work for firearms.

The answer is not with the device, it is with demind.

I hope that your response was received well by the recipient.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2018, 10:31:47 AM »
As the saying at Front Sight says, "You are the weapon, the gun is a tool!"
When we learn that, and teach that, then we can begin to perhaps solve of this problem.
Until then this crazyness will continue.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2018, 10:34:33 AM »
...This would also be a good letter to send to local newspapers (not that they would print it), but at least you would have your say...

It has been submitted.
I am awaiting their decision.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2018, 11:17:25 AM »
Hopefully, they won't be as close-minded as most.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 02:32:32 PM »
One of our county's media outlets has accepted it, and has published it.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 03:07:55 PM »
Congratulation!!! . . . . Please keep us posted on any reactions, pro and con.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2018, 10:50:39 PM »
Congratulation!!! . . . . Please keep us posted on any reactions, pro and con.

So far, three responses.
All of them are from the sheep.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 12:46:05 PM »
Great response Steve.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2018, 02:16:30 PM »
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Re: Florida
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2018, 10:26:02 PM »
...Please keep us posted on any reactions, pro and con.

So far, 14 responses: Eight are from kneejerk sheeple*, one is from a pacifist who understands my point, and four agree with me outright. One response argues with another response.

*"Guns are b-a-a-a-d!"

You may be able to read the responses at: https://orcasissues.com/letter-editor-worst-kind-violence/
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Re: Florida
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2018, 08:20:38 AM »
Very well done.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2018, 10:31:13 AM »
Some interesting comments regarding your letter, Steve. You seem to have ruffled some feathers in your island community. Good for you!
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Re: Florida
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 09:40:20 AM »
Read all the comments Steve. Interesting to say the least.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 11:35:53 AM »
So, how many people are killed because of drugs (illegal or otherwise)? How many from vehicle accidents (or  otherwise), medical malpractice, and let's not forget about abortions and political ambitions, yada, yada, yada.

Here's a little tidbit for ya.  We all know, here on the Forum, that there are firearms on Orcas Island, and I am sure that there are probably firearms on the other islands as well.

Read through the link. Then, please tell me what rates higher - 'incidents involving a motor vehicle' or 'incidents involving a firearm.'  In fact, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate incidents involving a motor vehicle a 10. Incidents involving firearms would not even register on the scale.

http://sanjuanislander.com/news-articles/law-enforcement/sheriff-s-log/26286/sheriff-s-log-dec-20-26-armed-standoff-loose-cow-email-threat.

Blaming firearms, since we have 'obviously violent guns' is akin to blaming the sidewalk that killed the person who just jumped 5 stories to his death. 

I have more, but must get back to work.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 11:44:43 AM »
By the way; an interesting article to read:

The History Of Mass Shootings That Needs To Be Heard Before People Demand More Gun Control @ https://freedomoutpost.com/history-mass-shootings-needs-heard-people-demand-gun-control/

Also notable was one comment from a reader:

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who later died from the wound.
In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States. I
In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office. In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.
In 2009, a left wing radical Islamic sympathizer Major Nidal Hasan fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others on Fort Hood, near Killeen, Texas. The shooting produced more casualties than any other on an American military base.
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head thus wounding her for life.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.
In Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.
In 2016 a registered Muslim Democrat murdered 49 people in an Orlando night club.
What most 21st Century Americans simply do not grasp is that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were not written to to give rights to the citizens of our then-new nation, but was instead written to tightly constrain the federal government.

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Re: Florida
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 05:25:08 PM »
Good Golly Miss Molly . . . . Watch out for those Democrats they are crazy!
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Re: Florida
« Reply #17 on: Today at 07:53:16 AM »
A bit off topic, and, I realize I'm opening myself up to flame attacks, but, can someone tell me WHY these single-shooter events require a hundred LEO's with automatic weapons, armored vehicles, and air support?

Where's "Martin Riggs" when we need him?

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Re: Florida
« Reply #18 on: Today at 12:29:46 PM »
It's probably easier to find that single shooter quickly, and trap him immediately, if you have lots of people looking for him separately, all at the same time.
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Re: Florida
« Reply #19 on: Today at 08:06:46 PM »
Here's an essay that's well worth your time to read.
It's a really, really good suggestion about putting an end to the "nutcase" violence we've been seeing.

Click on: https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/
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