Flint River CSA45

[Taurian]

For you fans of PCCs!

Flint River Armory CSA45: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmNB0HBVsc

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Watch it here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmNB0HBVsc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmNB0HBVsc</a>

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Just what I don't need but I want one!

[gunflintdoc]

Nice

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Went to their website, retail is almost $1600.00. For that kind of money I think I would buy a High Point carbine and more reloading supplies.

[CR Williams]

There are other alternatives besides Hi-Point. Yes, they cost more. Not as much as the CSA45, though. The Aero Survival Rifle in .45 ACP is one I like. Uses Glock magazines and will convert to 10mm without tools.

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There are other alternatives besides Hi-Point. Yes, they cost more. Not as much as the CSA45, though. The Aero Survival Rifle in .45 ACP is one I like. Uses Glock magazines and will convert to 10mm without tools.

Not a bad looking rifle and at about half the price of the CSA45. I found a review of the Aero Survival Rifle and they were satisfied with it.

[Taurian]

For a price less than one of those, you can have one of these:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/auto-ordnance-thompson-m1-semi-auto-carbine-45-acp-165-smooth-barrel-30-round-stick-magazine-blade-front-sight-fixed-battle-rear-walnut-stock-forend-blued-finish-tm1-602686221009.do

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I had the opportunity to handle a semi-auto Thompson a couple of years ago. Very nice rifle but man is it heavy!

You know if you let me win the lottery, price would not be a problem! Now the hernia of the UPS driver might be an issue.

[CR Williams]

For a price less than one of those, you can have one of these:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/auto-ordnance-thompson-m1-semi-auto-carbine-45-acp-165-smooth-barrel-30-round-stick-magazine-blade-front-sight-fixed-battle-rear-walnut-stock-forend-blued-finish-tm1-602686221009.do

It doesn't take Glock magazines, you can't shift calibers without tools, it's an old heavy design, and I don't deal with CTD after what they did during one of the runs on magazines a few years back.

[Taurian]

For a price less than one of those, you can have one of these:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/auto-ordnance-thompson-m1-semi-auto-carbine-45-acp-165-smooth-barrel-30-round-stick-magazine-blade-front-sight-fixed-battle-rear-walnut-stock-forend-blued-finish-tm1-602686221009.do

It doesn't take Glock magazines, you can't shift calibers without tools, it's an old heavy design, and I don't deal with CTD after what they did during one of the runs on magazines a few years back.

It does accept 100-round drum magazines, it has a fascinating history that I believe will far surpass anything that uses a Glock magazine, was designed to chamber a specific caliber, and was intended to endure the rigors of the battlefield and they proved very capable of doing so - from the jungles of Luzon to the streets of Chicagoand New York. Of course, the Glock pistol seems to have gained a reputation in the streets of Chicago and New York, among others.

What was the issue with CTD? I don't remember there being one, but there might have been one that I missed along the way.

[CR Williams]

For a price less than one of those, you can have one of these:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/auto-ordnance-thompson-m1-semi-auto-carbine-45-acp-165-smooth-barrel-30-round-stick-magazine-blade-front-sight-fixed-battle-rear-walnut-stock-forend-blued-finish-tm1-602686221009.do

It doesn't take Glock magazines, you can't shift calibers without tools, it's an old heavy design, and I don't deal with CTD after what they did during one of the runs on magazines a few years back.

It does accept 100-round drum magazines, it has a fascinating history that I believe will far surpass anything that uses a Glock magazine, was designed to chamber a specific caliber, and was intended to endure the rigors of the battlefield and they proved very capable of doing so - from the jungles of Luzon to the streets of Chicagoand New York. Of course, the Glock pistol seems to have gained a reputation in the streets of Chicago and New York, among others.

What was the issue with CTD? I don't remember there being one, but there might have been one that I missed along the way.

History and nostalgia don't work as well for carry and use as more modern designs.

100-rd drums are awkward and heavy, complicate logistics, and aren't much use on a semi-auto design. And full-auto or select-fire is so limited in practical use you might as well not worry about it. Not to mention having to pay for the silly things. If I'm going to go over 30-40 rounds I got an AR and I have Surefire magazines for that. Much easier than drums to run around with.

If I'm going to go back it's going to be an MP5 clone of some kind.

[Taurian]

The beauty of the modern world is that we have many more choices than we had "back in the day."

[oldranger53]

Choices, yes we have MANY more choices than ever before!

I always thought the "Thompson 21" was the one I wanted.

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[CR Williams]

The beauty of the modern world is that we have many more choices than we had "back in the day."

Which is your way of saying "I have an emotional attachment to an outdated weapon system and you're not going to take that away from me."?

[Taurian]

The beauty of the modern world is that we have many more choices than we had "back in the day."

Which is your way of saying "I have an emotional attachment to an outdated weapon system and you're not going to take that away from me."?

That would apply to my wifey, but not to my firearms.  That would be a most liberal statement to make, and emotion has no place here.  What I am saying is that I weigh the pros and cons of any weapons system with as many factors as I can identify.  Do I appreciate weapons systems of yore? Of course I do! To not appreciate that is to not fully appreciate what brought us to this point in weaponry, and possibly, beyond this point.  I can appreciate a "Brown Bess" musket just as much as I appreciate an AR10 or a Barrett.

By the way, The Glock pistol design is about 35 years old. That is considered an antique, and in a matter of years, it could classify as a curio and relic. That's not bad record for someone who had no experience with firearms design or manufacture.

"Striker-fired" pistols are nothing "new." Heckler and Koch produced a pistol that was both plastic and striker fired in 1970, twelve years earlier than the Glock.  And, "striker-fired" guns actually go back to around 1824 with the advent of bolt-action rifles. So, you can thank old rifles like the Mauser 98, Lee-Enfield, and Mosin-Nagant for the modern "Striker-fired" pistol, which is nothing more than releasing a firing pin that is under spring tension rather than beating it with a hammer, internal or otherwise.

[CR Williams]

"Striker-fired" pistols are nothing "new." Heckler and Koch produced a pistol that was both plastic and striker fired in 1970, twelve years earlier than the Glock.  And, "striker-fired" guns actually go back to around 1824 with the advent of bolt-action rifles. So, you can thank old rifles like the Mauser 98, Lee-Enfield, and Mosin-Nagant for the modern "Striker-fired" pistol, which is nothing more than releasing a firing pin that is under spring tension rather than beating it with a hammer, internal or otherwise.

Stop confusing things with facts so much. It messes up the effect.

That's one thing I think a lot of people keep forgetting, the actual age of the 'modern' Glock design.